1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characteristics
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1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characteristics
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
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Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
to be continued ....
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The (yellow indicated) dot inside the 2 is an extra characteristic belonging to the 5x5 root block???
to be continued ....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The (yellow indicated) dot inside the 2 is an extra characteristic belonging to the 5x5 root block???
to be continued ....
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The (yellow indicated ) dot inside the 2 is an extra characteristic belonging to the 5x5 root block??? The other yellow indicated dot only occurs together with the slash!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belongs to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The (yellow indicated ) dot inside the 2 is an extra characteristic belonging to the 5x5 root block??? The other yellow indicated dot only occurs together with the slash!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belongs to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
to be continued ...
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belong to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belong to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
The dots inside the "1" and "0" stay there till about 1930!!! Hence, also present "sin punto" !
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belongs to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
The dots inside the "1" and "0" stay there till about 1930!!! Hence, also present "sin punto" !
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belongs to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belongs to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c only! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The "slash" in the red circle is something that may belongs to the original design! It not just occurs with the 2c only! As we shall see!
to be continued ...
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
So far all the stamps had been on Dutch paper with a parallel watermark with the direction of paper vertical! But for the 10c that was on Belgian paper with an orthogonal watermark and the direction of paper horizontal!
The stamps below were all on Belgian paper:
We have found the "slash" for far in the 2c, 4c, 10c and 12c! Being part of a 5x5 root block the frequency of this characteristic on Belgian paper is a bit TOO high! The chance of finding 5 copies among a few tens of stamps is not acceptable! Or just an abundancy of luck???
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
So far all the stamps had been on Dutch paper with a parallel watermark with the direction of paper vertical! But for the 10c that was on Belgian paper with an orthogonal watermark and the direction of paper horizontal!
The stamps below were all on Belgian paper:
We have found the "slash" for far in the 2c, 4c, 10c and 12c! Being part of a 5x5 root block the frequency of this characteristic on Belgian paper is a bit TOO high! The chance of finding 5 copies among a few tens of stamps is not acceptable! Or just an abundancy of luck???
to be continued ...
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Although the offset-litho plates had been prepared using step-and-repeat-machines photographically we do find very tiny dots reminding us of the guiding dots of recess-printing! They mostly are present a more or less equal distance from the very right angle in the bottom left corner of the value tablet....
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The two 5c stamps were all on Dutch paper with the vertical direction of paper like the previous 2c and 12c:
We have found the "slash" for far in the 2c, 5c, 10c and 12c!
to be continued ...
Probably hardly anyone has noticed them!
A small survey reveals that they are quite common! In some cases part of the design!
Some of these guiding dots are accompanied by other tiny dots that occur just as regularly! And even a small "slash" is there not just in one value!!!
The two 5c stamps were all on Dutch paper with the vertical direction of paper like the previous 2c and 12c:
We have found the "slash" for far in the 2c, 5c, 10c and 12c!
to be continued ...
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So far all stamps were WITH dot! This stamp is also on Dutch paper with the vertical direction of paper!
All the other characteristics we had seen in the 2c are still there!
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All the other characteristics we had seen in the 2c are still there!
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Re: 1923-1935 José de San Martin - systematical characterist
Rein,
In viuw of overwhelming proofs you show I must accept those dots are not there by chance. All are in the SW corner. Concerning the very tiny ones in or out the numbers I think they are just imperfections in the process of reporting the photo-lithos
to the zinc plate, About the sashes they are there but I don`t think they are related to guiding marks. You have scored a strong point.
José
In viuw of overwhelming proofs you show I must accept those dots are not there by chance. All are in the SW corner. Concerning the very tiny ones in or out the numbers I think they are just imperfections in the process of reporting the photo-lithos
to the zinc plate, About the sashes they are there but I don`t think they are related to guiding marks. You have scored a strong point.
José
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José.Otin escribió:Rein,
In viuw of overwhelming proofs you show I must accept those dots are not there by chance. All are in the SW corner. Concerning the very tiny ones in or out the numbers I think they are just imperfections in the process of reporting the photo-lithos
to the zinc plate, About the sashes they are there but I don`t think they are related to guiding marks. You have scored a strong point.
José
in an earlier posting on the 20c sin punto I came to a conclusion that the root block consisted of 5x5 "stamps". But seeing the frequency of my 12c on Belgian paper: 4 out of 27 AЯ and 1 out of 12 RA (hence 5 out 39 on Belgian) the root block of 5x2 seemed more likely.
Some of the inner dots are part of the original: the dot in the middle of the "2" of "2c" probably is there is all stamps of the root block! Maybe a later root block has lost that dot but I have not studied all of my JSM's in that respect!
For the time being I would not mind assigning these a separate "type": type I of the 2c has the dot in the middle, type II does not have it.....
The same goes for the dots inside the "10" of the 10c! It seems to me that ALL stamps prior to 1930 [!] has them!
And the 3c has the dots for quite some time!
So how did they produce these plates??? They must have made new root blocks for the "sin punto" using an "original" [with its tiny dots!] filling up the big dot and then copying it 5 times horizontally and subsequenty 2 or 5 times vertically???
The "slashes" are certainly not part of the originals with the 2 "guiding dots" as they occur not on every stamp! But they do occur in the "sin punto" as well. Even having the accompanying dots in the 2c! See the previous posting above!
However, in the 12c the slashes are without the scratch in the left margin!
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The 3c stamp is also on Dutch paper with the vertical direction of paper!
The dot[s] inside the "3" go with the original both in the 3c "con punto" as in the 3c "sin punto" = type I
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The dot[s] inside the "3" go with the original both in the 3c "con punto" as in the 3c "sin punto" = type I
to be continued ...
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The 3c stamp "sin punto" on Dutch paper with the vertical direction of paper!
The dot[s] inside the "3" go with the original both in the 3c "con punto" as in the 3c "sin punto" = type I
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The dot[s] inside the "3" go with the original both in the 3c "con punto" as in the 3c "sin punto" = type I
to be continued ...
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The 4c stamp "sin punto" on Dutch paper with the vertical direction of paper!
and also with the 'slash":
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and also with the 'slash":
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